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16/16: MOST STRONG SECOND PLACE IN THE BUNDESTAG: Coffee With Hitler: The Untold Story of the Amateur Spies Who Tried to Civilize the Nazis Hardcover – September 6, 2022 by Charles Spicer (Author)

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🗓️ 24 February 2025

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16/16:  MOST STRONG SECOND PLACE IN THE BUNDESTAG: Coffee With Hitler: The Untold Story of the Amateur Spies Who Tried to Civilize the Nazis Hardcover – September 6, 2022 by  Charles Spicer  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Coffee-Hitler-Untold-Amateur-Civilize/dp/1639362266

"How might the British have handled Hitler differently?” remains one of history’s greatest "what ifs."

Coffee with Hitler tells the astounding story of how a handful of amateur British intelligence agents wined, dined, and befriended the leading National Socialists between the wars. With support from royalty, aristocracy, politicians, and businessmen, they hoped to use the recently founded Anglo-German Fellowship as a vehicle to civilize and enlighten the Nazis.

1937 BERLIN

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0:00.0

I'm John Batchel with Charles Spicer, the author of Coffee with Hitler, the untold story of so many untold stories, but now we become bookish men.

0:15.1

Because there is a book. Only 100 copies were told were printed called None So Blind.

0:19.9

It was a compilation of notes made by

0:22.5

Graham Christie and with his friend Conwell Evans. They put together this book, printed

0:27.6

100 copies, distributed them carefully to major libraries that were of interest to them.

0:33.4

And yet, it didn't get into general circulation until, well, it never did. And part of the mystery

0:41.0

is why not? In it, they tell the story of what we've been talking about, all these efforts to

0:47.7

connect Berlin and London, to find a way besides total war. Charles, you tell me that it is possible to find copies of

0:56.2

NUNSO Blind, though there are 100 copies. You've been successful at it. What in the book,

1:00.7

what in the book is critical to understand today? All these efforts that were being made to

1:06.6

warn the British government about the dangers of Hitler's regime,

1:13.9

its direction of travel, as well as all the detail that you've picked up, the chronology.

1:19.2

The overarching message that Christy was communicating is that the British government needed

1:26.2

to act on this information and act firmly.

1:28.5

And that's not launched the Second World War early, but just mobilized troops, mobilize the fleet,

1:34.6

coordinate better with allies, really stand up to Hitler diplomatically, possibly also economically

1:41.5

with sanctions.

1:43.2

The distinguished biographer of Winston Churchill and of Churchill's letters,

1:48.7

Martin Gilbert, and a colleague of his, Mr. Root, write a book in 1953 called The Appeasers,

1:55.1

in which they follow in much more detail the course of the guilty men book.

2:00.6

And afterwards, it was possible for Mr.

2:02.7

Gilbert, Martin Gilbert, to meet with Conwell Evans, to find Conwell Evans, who had disappeared

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