Joe Wix is on a mission.

I want to make this and sell it.

He's creating a protein bar.

This is ultra-processing.

That could potentially kill you.

I want the maximum amount of each harmful ingredient while staying within the legal limit.

So just how ridiculous the food system really is.

Joe Wicks, Licensed to Kill on Channel 4.

Stream now.

What does Mrs. Crunch have that Mr. Crunch does not?

The answer to that at the end of the show.

My name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral.

Welcome to the Lateral Cafe. We're out of quinoa and oat milk, but I can do your trivia

porridge, a factoid sandwich, or an omelet that's as eggy as this introduction. Thank you. I appreciate

the laugh, and so is our producer who wrote the script. Let's see if our guests today are

full of beans. They are the team from

Lunchbox Envy. We start with Jack Chambers. Welcome to the show. Hello, thank you for having me.

Tell us a bit about Lunchbox Envy. So it's the QI approach to food. It's a podcast comes out

weekly and every week we come up with all the sort of interesting

historical stories and scientific backstory behind different ingredient or food stuff.

And we have a lot of fun making it. We each bring a lunchbox and we sort of compete to find

the best one. And meanwhile, you know, tell the world all about it.

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