I think God used infertility to address these lies that I had about motherhood to get me to the place where I wanted kids.

You know, I went from like, no, they were going to ruin my life, my body, my marriage, all that.

Like, the longer I didn't have them, the more I wanted them.

And then the more I was like, wait, why do I feel like they would ruin my life?

You know, where is this coming from?

And I feel like that's where God could insert in remembering his truth.

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Welcome to God Hears Her. I'm Erin Atkins.

For this conversation, I had the privilege of talking

with Alice Madagora. We recorded this conversation while we were at the 2023 MomCon

conference in Chicago. Alice and her husband walked through seven years of infertility together.

While they were walking through those years, she learned

multiple lessons that prepared her for motherhood and healed parts of her personal journey.

So let's kick it off by asking Alice, who she was as a little girl.

Well, Alice, as a little girl, you can't see me, but I am second generation

Taiwanese-American. So my parents were immigrants that immigrated over here. I was born in Connecticut.

My first language was Mandarin and grew up and learned English with my parents.

How old were you? Oh, you know, I mean, just like born. As I was learning to speak,

they were learning the language too. So you all learned together. I made me like the kind of

translator in a lot of ways for the family. So I grew up in Rochester, New York, upstate New York,

home with the garbage plate, which sounds as delicious as, it's just, it's

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