#157 — What Does the Mueller Report Really Say?

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🗓️ 20 May 2019

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Sam Harris speaks with Benjamin Wittes about both volumes of the Mueller Report.

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0:46.9	Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris. Today I'm speaking with Benjamin
0:52.5	Wittes. Benjamin is a legal journalist who's a senior fellow in government studies at the Brookings
0:58.8	institution, and he's a co-founder of the Law Fair blog, which is a great source of unbiased
1:04.9	information on U.S. national security and law. And I brought him on to do a post-mortem
1:12.4	on the Mueller report. Seems to me the public understanding of what's in that report
1:16.8	is fairly distorted by politics. So I wanted Benjamin to walk me through it. And if nothing else,
1:26.2	I think you'll find this a very useful analysis of what Mueller found and what any reasonable person
1:34.5	should believe about what he found. Needless to say, this is a moving target. Mueller may one day
1:41.6	testify in Congress, but his findings in the report are remarkably clear and yet obfuscated
1:50.4	to a astounding degree. In any case, I hope you find this useful. Now I bring you Benjamin Wittes.
2:03.7	I am here with Benjamin Wittes. Benjamin, thanks for coming on the podcast.
2:06.9	Pleasure. I discovered you as many people have on your fantastic blog, dealing with all things legal,
2:14.9	the Law Fair blog. And I'm hoping we're going to do a very accessible and fairly comprehensive,
2:23.1	at least up to the moment, autopsy on the Mueller report. But before we dive into the matter at hand,
2:31.1	how did you get to focus on what you have now focused on for it seems quite some time? What is your
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