Page 94, the Private Eye Podcast. Hello and welcome to another episode of page 94. I'm Adam McQueen and I'm joined in the Private Eye Office today by Ian Hislop and Jane McKenzie. But fear not, later in the episode we will be hearing from both of our other regulars, Helen Lewis and Andrew Hunter Murray, who are going to be talking about President Trump and his Health Secretary RFK Jr. And there's slightly peculiar ideas about how to make America healthy again. But first, the three of us are going to be discussing some of the stories from the last issue, specifically, police bugging of journalists both in Northern Ireland and on our tellies, courtesy of ITV. And some of the things that have happened since our last edition came out. Specifically, we finally, after 11 months, have a new Archbishop of Canterbury, Ian.

I thought you were going to say, finally, after thousands of years, we have a female Archbishop of

Canterbury, which is certainly news.

1,428 years since St. Augustine took her. Yeah, the first woman in the role. Specifically,

she is Sarah Mullally, formerly the Bishop of London.

And before that, in what, I mean, by any measure, is an impressive LinkedIn page, chief nurse in the NHS?

That's not bad, is it for two positions, Jane. Also from a comprehensive school background,

which I don't think the latest few archbishops have been. But it is an extraordinary achievement, isn't it? I mean, women priests were first ordained in the Church of England in 1994. They could only become bishops from 2014. So Malawi became Bishop of London, which is effectively the third in command of the Church of England, isn't it? It's after the Archbishops of Canterbury and York. Remind us, Ian, why did Justin Welby her predecessor? Why was he obliged to step down?

Well, he had an unfortunate argument with someone at a drinks party at the British Museum,

and he just had to go. I think we may be getting the timing slightly wrong on that one.

Oh yes, that was afterwards. No, self-regarding nonsense. He had to leave quite rightly because he'd been

involved in one of the major scandals in the Church of England about his connection with a really

horrific serial abuser called John Smive, who'd run various Christian camps and had had various

connections with well-be over the years

and we'd written about it at some land particularly jane had i should say for podcast systems actually

if you do want the full story um if you go back to episode one one hundred and twenty six of page

94 uh which we recorded last november francis ween joined us to discuss the John Smythe case in depth.

Essentially, it was good. John Smyth was an evangelical Christian who ran these camps around the

country for young people, but also turned out to be sadistically beating young men in a shed at

the end of his garden. That's a summary of the beginning of the story. After some people found out what was going on,

he was moved a long, long way away from where he could be a problem for senior people in the

Church of England, off off to Africa. So the fact that he was just exported to carry on behaving dreadfully was another big

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