Hey everyone. We wanted to be respectful of the changing news that has happened since we originally

recorded this episode. When we recorded on Wednesday this last week, 22-year-old Riley's strain was still

missing. And tragically, unfortunately, news broke early Friday morning that Riley's body had in fact

been recovered in a river in Nashville miles from where he was last seen.

Our hearts go out to his family and friends in this difficult time.

Welcome to the shaken and disturbed everybody. John, you're still hitting those nice hand signals. You're pointing to we don't know what. You know, now that I live in L.A., like sign people on the streets doing the signs to get you into the parking garages and everything is like a big profession. So, John, if this whole thing doesn't work out with your career, I think that you can become one of those sign twirlers.

I'm just saying, well, first of all, it's not working out. That's number one. Number two, if anyone forgot, Darren lives in L.A. Okay, we get it. Darren lives in L.A., everybody. Get used to it. Live in L.A. That's why we're all shaken and disturbed here. I am Darren Karp here with with John Thrasher. But today, you know,

I feel like we're, it's not a menagerie twas. It's a menagerie foie. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a power rangeers coming to get or the Brady Bunch for those, uh those out there who watch that today we have

longtime friends just good guys here we've got Tim and Lance from CrawlSpace media host of

Misting and crawl space also our first guests on our old podcast murder, which feels like centuries ago, welcome the

shaking and disturbed, Tim and Lance.

Hey, you guys.

Hey, thanks for having us.

Hey.

I got to say thanks for having us, first of all.

And second of all, I didn't know what to say because there was like seven minutes of

bullet points to kind of check off before we started. And one of them was,

there's four of us to just be sure, you know, we're professional. Don't talk over each other.

So right off the bat, I had to be sure to be professional. So that was my pause.

You know, thank you for putting that out there, Lance. I forgot in one of the bullet points

to introduce you guys as extremely handsome. But I had promised that I was only going to introduce one of you as extremely handsome. So at the end of this, we're going to take a poll with our listeners to see whose voice they think is hotter. And then we'll report back with the notes. So my apologies. But one of you is very handsome. Tim and Lance, you guys have been in our lives now. I mean, we started Martini's and murder in 2017. And, you know, we've seen you guys at crime con over the years and we've kind of kept in touch. But for those of our listeners who might be kind of introduced to you, can you tell us a little about crawl space, what you guys have been up to? I mean, we know Moira Murray.

We're going to get to that.

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