Hey everyone, welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories podcast. This is John. It is January 12th

and we are doing something kind of very different today this afternoon. Something we have never really

done before. This is Cara, Brill and I. Hey Cara. Oh, hey John. Thanks for being here. Thanks for

having me. Yeah. I'm sitting in this chair. You're sitting in the interview each air again. Yeah.

How long has it been? February 25th is on our recorded my interview. So almost 11 months, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And we're doing something different. So usually Cara's in the producer seat. I'm in

the host seat and we're interviewing somebody. But today we're taking a break from kind of the

normal way that we do things. And we're doing an episode in response to a lot of the hate and the

criticism and the smears and all the attacks that we've been receiving, you know, over the past few

days, weeks, months. And for me over the past 16 years, but we're basically doing episode on

what we love about this job and what we hate about this job. And when I say this job, I mean the

Mormon podcasting space. And I think we both felt it was really important to begin by talking about

our intentions, right? Because we're not here to say, well, as us, we're not here to, you know,

on the one hand, choose to be in the public eye and then to like, moan and complain about being

in the public eye, you know, we're not here to be narcissistic and to like draw the attention back

to us. But on the other hand, we believe in transparency. We've been attacked and smeared quite a

bit lately. And that's just part of the job. And we, we like the idea for those who care about us,

who care about Mormon stories, who care about the open stories foundation, or who just care about

the space of trying to make a difference in the Mormon world, giving them some transparency and

some visibility into what we're doing, not just so they can understand what we're going through.

But also so that other people who want to get in the space can kind of know what it's about.

And maybe learn from some of the things that we've been experiencing. Plus, it's a tiny bit

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