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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

153 | Medical Debt Collection and Forgiveness Strategies

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Careers, Investing, Business

4.8 • 5.2K Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2019

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Medical debt just wrecked 900 million dollars' worth of American lives—until two debt collectors decided to fix the system from the inside. Craig and Jerry, founders of RIP Medical Debt, spent years chasing unpaid hospital bills before realizing the game was rigged. Now they're buying that same debt for pennies on the dollar and erasing it entirely. The scale of the problem is staggering: $55 billion changes hands every year as Americans borrow from friends and family just to cover medical bills. Over half the country is one hospitalization away from financial ruin. But the system itself creates opportunities for relief that most people never discover—charity care programs, negotiation strategies, and assistance options hiding in plain sight at every hospital. Craig and Jerry share hard-won insights from both sides of the collections desk: how to dispute bills within the crucial 30-day window, why itemized billing matters, and which income thresholds unlock automatic debt forgiveness. They also reveal how RIP Medical Debt operates—building relationships with hospitals, purchasing portfolios of uncollectable debt, and coordinating community campaigns where churches and civic groups fund mass debt relief. Key Discussion Points: Medical Debt Crisis [00:02:26]: $55 billion annually borrowed from friends and family to cover medical bills; more than half of Americans financially vulnerable to a single illness Charity Care Access [00:06:36]: Households at or below 200% of federal poverty level qualify for hospital charity care regardless of insurance status—but most don't know to ask Debt Negotiation Tactics [00:12:14]: Request itemized bills, dispute charges within 30 days, maintain civil communication with collection agencies Hospital Engagement [00:20:35]: Proactive communication with billing departments and financial assistance offices prevents debt from reaching collections RIP Medical Debt's Model [00:39:21]: Purchases bundled medical debt portfolios at steep discounts (pennies per dollar), then forgives them entirely Building Relationships [00:44:20]: Hospitals selectively sell debt only to buyers they trust; relationships matter more than price Community Campaigns [00:53:41]: Churches and civic groups fund debt relief campaigns, inspired by values of compassion and mutual aid Notable Quotes: "A staggering $55 billion annually is lent or gifted to mitigate medical debt." [00:04:47] "Know that if you're at two times the federal poverty level or below, you may qualify for charity care when visiting hospitals." [00:06:36] "Maintain civility during discussions about your debt; remember, the representative is simply doing their job." [00:34:28] "Successful debt forgiveness hinges on building relationships; hospitals are selective about debt buyers." [00:44:20] "Inspired by the question 'What would Jesus do?', approximately 60 churches are eager to run campaigns for debt forgiveness." [00:53:41] Chapter Markers: [00:00:42] Introduction to RIP Medical Debt [00:02:26] Understanding Medical Debt [00:04:01] Consequences of Medical Debt [00:06:36] Resources for Financial Assistance [00:10:33] The Role of Collections [00:12:14] Negotiating Medical Bills [00:20:35] The Importance of Engaging Hospitals [00:39:21] RIP Medical Debt's Mission and Impact [00:53:41] Community Involvement and Activism [00:56:43] Conclusion and Call to Action Definitions: Charity Care [00:06:36]: Financial assistance provided by hospitals to cover medical expenses for eligible patients Material Hardship [00:14:08]: Inability to maintain standard of living due to elevated expenses, especially medical bills Collection Agency [00:12:14]: A business that pursues payments on debts owed by individuals or businesses Action Steps: Evaluate your current insurance coverage and its impact on financial independence [00:06:03] Compile a list of resources available for negotiating medical bills [00:12:14] Consider starting a community campaign to support debt forgiveness [00:56…

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Alright everyone, super excited about this episode today.

0:53.9

We're getting the opportunity to speak with Pregnjerry from RIP Medical Data Company

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that was founded in 2014, five years later, is approaching a billion dollars of medical

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debt forgiven, 900 million I think to date.

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This is incredible.

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Two guys, they worked in debt collection.

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Saw a broken system, was looking for a way to have an impact and make a difference, came

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up with a solution close to a billion dollars in medical debt forgiven.

1:17.0

I think with this episode we're going to be able to explore one, the purpose, the impact

1:20.6

that they're trying to have with this foundation.

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And then two, at an actionable level, we realize that there's people that are being crippled

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under the weight of medical debt.

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Provide some solutions before it goes that far.

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Provide some actionable tips you can take with you.

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If you're dealing with medical debt, if you have a loved one, a friend, a family member,

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