Good day podcast listeners, and thank you so much for taking the time to listen to this week's episode a

very very interesting

Conversation this week between Clay Jenkinson and

Professor Joseph Ellis was very interesting to have Joe back. It's been a while. I miss him

It's really been one of the great gifts of the last couple of years that he has had the leisure and the pandemic helped in some respects with that

to give us a fairly large chunk of his mind and his time and I don't think you can ever get enough of

Joseph Ellis. I'm one of the my goals David is to in a sense debrief him

He's got more books in him. He's writing another one now, but I would like to

debrief him for the really remarkable

Set of books that he's written and some of the things that never wound up in his books a lifetime of teaching

He's a wise man who's also a brilliant

academic and public

Historian that's a very

Very rare thing his books are readable. They're funny. They're they're lively and he's obviously enjoying himself

One of the my New Year's resolutions is that we have him on at least once a month in the year 20

23 and I think that he basically agreed to that at the end of today's show

I talked to him last week about this show today and he was out walking his dogs and he made some comment about how he

Essentially, he was saying he needed that

intellectual stipulation that

occurs between the two of you and I thought you should hear that

He enjoys coming on the program. I'm I'm certain of that, but I have an issue that I need to bring up somewhat

Jeffersonian may I of course? Well, we all know

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