Hello and welcome to Outrage an Optimism, I'm Tom Refikkarnik.

I'm still Cristiano Fighettas.

You are still Dame Cristiano Fighettas and I'm Paul Dickinson.

This week we talk about the war in Ukraine and the effects it's having on energy policy

and global packs ahead of COP27.

We speak to King's Mill Bond from the Rocky Manson Institute and we have music from Stelios

Barcelona's.

Thanks for being here.

So following last week's episode when we dove into the issue of US federal policy and

how it's unfolding at this critical moment, this week we're going to take a look at the

global situation.

Now if you cast your mind back a few months to prior to the negotiations in Glasgow, there

were some big deals that came out but one of the most significant was an $8.5 billion

pledge that was pulled together by various governments around the world including the

UK, the US and the European Union to support South Africa's move away from fossil fuels.

Now this precipitated a very significant breakthrough because South Africa has been

a consistent user of coal and this deal, although it still needs to be implemented, heralded

the beginning of a very significant transformation that was echoed around the world.

Now ahead of COP27, we're seeing various governments thinking about what they can do

for other critical countries, what about Indonesia, what about India, what about Brazil.

Those are difficult deals to pull together and they're being made more difficult by the

fact that the war in Ukraine is leading to a rise in energy prices that in turn is actually

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