This is Jocco Podcast number 150 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening.

And who are the young men we are asking to go into action against such solid odds?

You've met them. You know they are the best we have.

But they are not McNamara's sons or bundes. I doubt they are yours.

And they know. They know they are at the end of the pipeline. That no one cares. They know.

And that right there is an anonymous quote from a general in Vietnam to a war correspondent named Arthur Hayley, who is actually himself a decorated tank commander in World War II who enlisted in the Army.

And there is a key word I said there, you know a volunteer who voluntarily enlisted in the Army in World War II. And in Vietnam, in the Vietnam War, you hear a lot about the draftees in Vietnam.

And in fact, 25% of the forces that fought in Vietnam were draftees and draftees accounted for 30% of the deaths in Vietnam.

Now, on this podcast, we've heard from a bunch of those volunteers, a bunch of those career soldiers, Marines that fought in Vietnam. But tonight we're honored to have someone on the podcast that was not necessarily a volunteer that was not necessarily looking to be in the middle of the world.

And he was a military for a career, but who nonetheless stepped up and did his job for our country. And once he served his time, he came home and lived his life. And he had a son. And his son is also joined us on the podcast. And his son took a different route.

Not only to this dad, but he was guided not to war, but to the water.

So we have tonight Dave Hall, Vietnam veteran tanker who's also the father of Josh Hall.

a craftsman, a surfboard shaper and an entrepreneur.

And I think we're looking forward to this, at least I am.

So welcome to the show, both of you.

Thanks for coming on, Josh, Dave.

Awesome to have you.

It's honor.

Yeah.

Thanks for coming out here from Hawaii.

I know, you know, most people don't wanna leave Hawaii.

No.

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