15/10/2025
Today in Parliament
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🗓️ 15 October 2025
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
Alicia McCarthy reports as Sir Keir Starmer and Kemi Badenoch clash over the collapse of the case against two men accused of spying for China.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
| 0:06.2 | Order. Order. |
| 0:08.6 | Hello there, I'm Alicia McCarthy, and this is the Today in Parliament podcast from BBC Radio 4 for Wednesday the 15th of October, |
| 0:16.3 | where the Conservative leader says the collapse of a China spying case stinks of a cover-up. |
| 0:22.1 | A serious case involving national security has collapsed because this government is too weak to stand up to China. |
| 0:29.6 | But Kiyosthama accuses the Tories of slinging mud. |
| 0:32.5 | Far from evading, I have said I will disclose the full witness statements that set out exactly what was in the witness statements, exactly what the subsequent statement says. |
| 0:43.3 | Also tonight, could your energy bills be about to get even bigger? |
| 0:47.3 | In all likelihood, electricity prices for a typical customer are going to be 20% higher in four or five years' time than they are now. |
| 0:57.6 | But first, to a noisy Prime Minister's questions where Sequea Stama announced he would publish |
| 1:03.4 | key evidence at the heart of a row about the collapse case of two men accused of spying for China. |
| 1:09.7 | He said he'd released the witness statements the government |
| 1:12.5 | had submitted. Christopher Cash, a former parliamentary researcher and Chris Berry, were charged last |
| 1:19.1 | year when the Conservatives were in power. Both had denied any wrongdoing. Last month, |
| 1:24.8 | the case was dropped. Prosecutors said it fell through because the government hadn't labelled China a national security threat |
| 1:31.9 | and witness statements prepared by the Deputy National Security Advisor didn't meet the threshold to prosecute. |
| 1:39.3 | Kirstama said he was deeply disappointed by what had happened and laid the blame at the Conservatives' |
| 1:44.9 | door. |
| 1:45.5 | The case was charged under the last government, according to the evidence submitted under the last |
| 1:49.9 | government, which set out their policy decision. |
| 1:52.5 | What was on issue, what was an issue in the trial is not the position of the current government, |
| 1:58.6 | the position of the last government. |
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