So what you're about to see as a discussion I had with John Hears from the Why Are We Talking About Rabbit's podcast.

John Hears runs a foundation called First Things Foundation, which does international work, international aid.

But he's also very sensitive and very open to learning from the cultures that he encounters in terms of noticing the difference between what he calls old world and new world thinking. And I found that his podcast is actually a great introduction.

If you guys, symbolic thinkers are looking for a way to introduce your family, your friends,

to the difficulty of the modern world and to the possibility of symbolic thinking,

this podcast is definitely a good

place to start because you really take people by the hand and shows them the difference

in thinking.

And so with the Lord of Spears podcast and this podcast, you've really got a nice little ecosystem

of old world thinking that is coming together.

And I really enjoyed this discussion.

We talked about everything from, you know, the encounter with different cultures to also

figuring out whether or not I'm really an old world person or if I'm just posing as an

old world person.

So please enjoy this discussion.

This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

Jonathan, welcome.

How are you?

It's great to, we met a little bit before.

And so it's wonderful to see you healthy and back on track uh jonathan i were scheduled to do this show uh right when i got covid which i think i've mentioned

on a previous pod and basically what happened was is i tried but i jonathan i was hooking up you know

the apparatus and i felt sick and dizzy.

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