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Clay, what are you up to? Well, I have in front of me Darren Staleoff's book

Hamilton Adams Jefferson the politics of enlightenment and the American founding and as I page through it. I've marked up

You know hundreds of of passages and and one that that I think is really important is his discussion of

Jefferson and slavery and what he says is that in Jefferson's writings and he talks a good game and he talks about the

The effects of of slavery on master and slave and so on

But essentially what Jefferson is saying is that slavery is

Has a deleterious effect on the character of white people and Darren Staleoff says, you know, sort of give me a break on that that this is

Little self-serving that yes, of course of course it had that effect

But if you compare that to the actual impact of slavery on Africans and African Americans, it feels a little

Narcissistic for these white

Plantation owners to be talking about how what a burden it is and what a moral burden it is for them to do this thing

And no one put a gun to their head after all

Tell me again the title of his book the titles Hamilton Adams Jefferson the politics of enlightenment and the American founding published in

2005 it's his second book and I'm sure there will be more he says dynamic a

Historian as I've met in some time and I had never I'd never heard of him

I have to say and I just happened upon the title and thought it would be interesting and it turned out to be

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