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Today I'm speaking with Douglas Rushcoff. Douglas has been named one of the world's 10 most

influential intellectuals by MIT. He is an award-winning author, broadcaster, and documentarian

who studies human autonomy in the digital age. He's often described as a media theorist.

He is the host of the popular team human podcast, and he's written 20 books, including the best

sellers present shock and program or B-programmed. He's written regular columns for medium,

CNN, the Daily Beast, and the Guardian. He's made documentaries for PBS's show Frontline.

Today we discuss his work and his most recent book, which is also titled Team Human.

Anyway, it was great to talk to Douglas. We get into many of these issues, and he's certainly

someone who spent a lot of time thinking about where we're all headed online.

So, now without further delay, I bring you Douglas Rushcoff.

I am here with Douglas Rushcoff. Douglas, thanks for coming on the podcast.

Hey, thanks so much for having me. So you have a very interesting job description and background.

How do you describe what you do and your intellectual journey?

I mean, I guess what I do is I am arguing for human autonomy or human agency in an increasingly

digital age. I guess what brought me here was originally I was a theater director,

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