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🗓️ 13 October 2025
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Colin Woodard, a New York Times bestselling author, historian and award-winning journalist, is director of Nationhood Lab Salve Regina University's Pell Center for International Relations and Public Policy. He is the author of seven books that have been translated into a dozen foreign languages and inspired an NBC television drama. A longtime foreign correspondent, he reported from more than 50 countries on seven continents and, as an investigative reporter at Maine's Portland Press Herald, won a 2012 George Polk Award and was a finalist for a 2016 Pulitzer Prize. His work has appeared in The New York Times, Politico, The Washington Post, The Economist, Smithsonian, and dozens of other major publications. A graduate of Tufts University and the University of Chicago and a Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, he lives in Maine.
The bestselling author of American Nations reveals how centuries-old regional differences have brought American democracy to the brink of collapse and presents a powerful story that can bridge our cultural divisions and save the republic
Our democracy has been purposefully dismantled, first in the states and now at the federal level. With groundbreaking original data and historical insights, Nations Apart is an essential guide to understanding why Americans are so divided on many hot button issues, creating geographic fissures that have been exploited by authoritarians. Colin Woodard shows how colonial era settlement patterns and the cultural geography they left behind are at the root of our political polarization, economic inequality, public health crises, and democratic collapse.
Drawing on quantitative research from Woodard's university-based think tank project, Nations Apart exposes the true ideological and cultural divides behind today's struggles over:
* Gun control
* Immigration
* Health policy
* Abortion
* Climate Change
* History
* Authoritarianism and Democracy
But there is a road map to right the country: a carefully researched, vigorously tested common story for the country built on the mission set forth for us in the document that first bound our regions together, the Declaration of Independence. Combining compelling storytelling with scholarly vigor, Nations Apart offers a blueprint for bridging the rifts that divide us and ensuring the American dream of democratic self-government will reach its 300th birthday.
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| 0:00.0 | The original No King's protest was 250 years ago. |
| 0:04.6 | Americans decided they didn't want to live under the rule of King George III. |
| 0:08.8 | They declared their independence and fought a bloody war for democracy. |
| 0:12.8 | We've had two and a half centuries of democracy since then, often challenging, sometimes messy, always essential. |
| 0:19.6 | And we've fought in two world wars to preserve it. |
| 0:22.7 | Now we have a would-be king who wants to take it away, King Donald I first. Fuck that. |
| 0:28.9 | We're rising up again this time, non-violently raising our voices to declare no kings. |
| 0:35.2 | I'm Robert De Niro asking you to stand up and be counted in the nationwide no kings |
| 0:39.6 | protest on october 18 visit no kings dot org to find volunteer or host a protest near you we're all |
| 0:47.2 | in this together indivisible with liberty and justice for all. |
| 0:55.6 | Thank you, Bob De Niro. |
| 0:56.5 | I call him Bob. |
| 1:00.1 | Just thought that would be a good thing to promote here at the top of the show. |
| 1:03.6 | Hope to see you at No Kings Day, wherever you're going to do. |
| 1:04.5 | It is Monday. |
| 1:12.0 | It is Indigenous People's Day or Columbus Day if you want to be more horrible and celebrate Columbus. |
| 1:14.2 | You know, I am Italian myself. |
| 1:18.2 | I identify, I think, as Italian a lot, and I don't care. |
| 1:20.0 | I don't care about Christopher Columbus. |
| 1:21.9 | I don't like him about that. |
| 1:25.5 | I read the People's History by Howard Zinn, and I decided, you know what? |
| 1:28.1 | I think I like Native Americans a lot better. |
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