Good day, Thomas Jefferson. Our podcast listeners as always. Thank you so much for listening.

This week an interesting conversation with President Jefferson, a very pleasant one about

books and education and water. We also took time to properly welcome Clay Jenkinson back

from his Montana Lewis and Clark adventures and welcome back sir.

We exhausted spiritually refreshed, met wonderful, wonderful people out on the Lewis and

Clark Trail. It's amazing. I get to do this. These excursions, they're filled with adventure.

There's lots of talk. In fact, on the Lewis and Clark trip, there was more discourse

about Lewis and Clark than in any previous Lewis and Clark journey. I've done it for

more than 20 years, but because of the fires, we were confined to a lower campsite a couple

of times. And so there was extended period of conversation and chances for me to provide

short lectures. But endless discussion about that, about the west, about climate change,

about Thomas Jefferson, of course, about the future of the wilderness. I couldn't have asked

for better people on both journeys. One was on the Salmon River, which was a flow trip

on a class three and class four river down dramatically, but still thrilling. And I'm happy

to report that when I was alone in the kayak, or actually in the kayak with a wonderful

Nebraska and by the name of Ben, I went under and had to be fished out of the Salmon

River half-drowned, but still happy. The Lewis and Clark trip was just spectacular. So

we're doing a couple of them again next year. I think the dates are 17 through 26 July

and 31 July to August 9. And so people can start to sign up for those immediately. And

I hope that they get in early because we're now building waiting lists for this most famous

of all the trips. And it was spectacular getting on the canoe east of Fort Benton, Montana,

and drifting southeast for about 45 miles in the most beautiful single section of the entire

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