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Speaking of which, the Apple Vision Pro is finally coming out. We haven't spoken about it since the episode.

Yeah. I saw some reviews started hitting. Have they? I haven't seen those.

Yeah, it's the usual kind of very controlled kind of demonstration process, but I'm not

writing any of them yet.

I don't know if it's...

Approvision Pro reviewed.

Because you were into it, right, when we spoke about it, you were into the idea of...

I love VR, yeah, and I've been a fanboy of VR for a while.

I've made a few things with it.

I've enjoyed it.

I really like it. I've made a few things with it. I've enjoyed it. I really like it.

I'm not convinced it's going to catch on, but there's just so many nerds like me who enjoy it that I hope it does.

I basically stopped making games for it because I realized in order to match the quality of what the VR-specific devs were doing,

I'd have to really commit to it.

And I like my console and my PC games too much to kind of really dig in on VR.

You think that developing for VR is like an entirely separate skill set?

Designing for VR, definitely.

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