Jonathan you're the first man ever, not only the first man I've ever met who made his own leather jacket,

but absolutely the first man who made his own leather jacket has ever been on the podcast wearing that jacket.

Well, I thank you so much.

A fucking sweet jacket, man. I'd show you my g-string, but it's probably a... jacket.

I'd show you my g-string, but it's probably a little munch for this time and day.

Well, how are you functioning?

Is it like on the side?

How are you tying that one?

Well, I like, I prefer a center rear yank. So does my wife, because it's she can just put the leash right on it and, you know, two for one. Keeps her.

When did you get into making leather stuff? Is that a recent thing?

About three years ago, but I mean, Joe, my whole life,

I've just been a rampant fan of craftsmanship,

and I've done various deep dives throughout my life

into all sorts of different art forms. In fact the reason

automotive design became my thing and turned into a business was because my hobbies

of painting and sculpting and finished carpentry woodwork and all these different things if you think about it transportation is like this incredibly communicable

Extroverted combination of so many different art forms.

So I've been also in my travels in the last 10 years or so, or maybe five,

I've really been focusing on, always have been focusing on like getting immersed in that

local culture, but now I've stepped that up a notch and I'm doing like these deep dive travels

into different art forms of different cultures.

So Leathercraft, I've been visiting tanneries

...