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Well, Brian, this is going to be kind of a weird question, but I think it's an okay lead-in to this next topic, which is

the STAILDS mission and the STAILDS website.

So I'm going to ask kind of a weird question.

Sure.

It's going to seem narcissistic, but I think it's relevant.

How did you and I remind me how you and I came to be connected?

Okay.

Yeah.

That crisis where everything fell apart a couple of years ago, I was looking around for anybody to talk to.

I had purchased...

No, I think I listened to your podcast, the Richard Bushman one on Rustone Rolling.

And I think I sent you an email and Richard Bushman copied back and it was really very small, but you just said,

hey, hang in there.

If you want to talk, give me a call.

And Richard Bushman had sent something to me too and I responded back.

That was the first connection.

It wasn't really anything significant, but yeah, I started listening to a bunch of your podcasts.

I got really involved in Faces East, trying to think of what else that's...

I think the big one after that was getting involved in that open Mormon movement.

I don't know if you want to talk about that in the podcast at all.

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