Soger and Marshall here welcome back to the realignment.

But I think that what you're seeing now is some real question about NASA's

capacity to hold the reins in that relationship.

It's going to be relying on SpaceX on this commercial venture to, you know,

ferry our astronauts at space station as we've already seen and ultimately to the moon.

And so again, with NASA perpetually underfunded at least relative to its needs and its ambitions.

And SpaceX and Blue Origin and the others wildly capitalized over time and increasingly dominant.

You may well actually have holding the card someone like Elon Musk who has a very different take

bunch on the power of China as you point out, Soger, then the United States government. And that is a matter I think of some concern.

This week we are very excited to bring you an awesome guest. His name is Jeff Chessel.

He just wrote a book called Mercury Rising, John Glenn, John Kennedy and the new battleground for the Cold War.

Now look, you guys don't love UFOs aliens all of that, but we don't actually talk enough about space,

the Apollo program, everything behind it. And right now is a perfect time. Richard Branson just went up there.

Jeff Bezos is headed there sometime soon. Elon is doing whatever Elon is doing.

It's an exciting time to think about where the program started, where things are headed.

That's exactly what we do with Jeff. Give him a taste, Marshall.

Yeah, this really came about because Soger and I have a really mutually shared interest in having actually intelligent conversations about space.

One of our underlying beef with the culture war and online hype politics is that everything has to get wrapped into its whole thing.

And I think our politics are actually really summed up well by Alex Wilhelm.

Techcruncher, we said, look, Doncom Billionaires, all you want.

Spaces are pretty good thing for them to spend money on.

And there's a lot of nuance there. There's nuance that we get into in this conversation, which is, okay,

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