Hello and welcome to the Mark Rose podcast. Today we have an incredible guest. Are you so excited?

I mean, I am biased. I will acknowledge that that when I'm like, incredible, but like, what's the point in having conversations with people who aren't incredible?

So today's no exception.

She is brilliant, and I can't wait for you to hear just her, not just her story, but her

expertise.

We explore the subject of emotion, but more specifically, the messages we've received around emotion and whether that be through culture or gender or whatever it is.

And more, even more specifically, we get into the subject of anger and like sacred rage.

And you've likely heard me mention before that anger is often associated with

aggression and so obviously aggression is destructive but anger is what claims ourselves it's sacred

it is such an important emotion and I speak for myself I had previously been terrified of it, terrified,

because I, you know, when I was in grade 11,

I was 16, I believe, maybe 17, not 16.

I was at a party that got crashed by a gang,

and I got 44 stitches in my head.

I didn't know the people, There was no reason to hit me. There's no, you know, these are just people who were denied entrance into a party and came

back and crashed it. And I was slightly inebriated. And, you know, my dad, we joke,

there's a plaque at the hospital for one of the highest

blood alcohol levels that still maintain consciousness. It's a funny joke now. But at the time,

it was scary. And that really affected me one on a unconscious, on a conscious level, because

I really was afraid of that overt form of aggression. I could express

aggression in sports, but as soon as it was in this context of like violence, I was really

terrified. I'm not a violent person. I don't get into fights. I've never been in a fight in my

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