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Today I'm speaking with Yohan Hari. Yohan is the New York Times best-selling author of

Chasing the Scream, which has been adapted into a feature film. He has been twice named

Newspaper Journalist of the Year by Amnesty International, UK. He's written for the New York Times,

The Los Angeles Times, and many other journals. His TED talk, everything you think you know about

addiction is wrong, has more than 20 million views, and his most recent book is Lost Connections,

uncovering the real causes of depression and the unexpected solutions. And we talk about both his

recent books, Chasing the Scream and Lost Connections. So we mostly speak about the dynamics of

addiction and depression, but this leads us to talk about politics and the state of the world,

and humanity's search for meaning. Anyway, Yohan is interested in many things, and I was very

happy to get him on the podcast. So now I bring you Yohan Hari.

I am here with Yohan Hari. Yohan, thanks for coming on the podcast.

Thank you so much, Sam. You're one of the very few people I know who said my name right first time.

One of the very first moments I once waited for six hours in an emergency room, because they were

calling for Joanna Hairy to come forward. So I figured how we first connected, I think,

what happened is I noticed you wrote a review of my first book, The End of Faith, that I didn't hate.

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