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Today's guest is Rebecca Tracer. Rebecca is writer at large for New York magazine

and a contributing editor at L. She's a national magazine award finalist, and she's written about

women in politics, media, and entertainment from a feminist perspective for the new republic and

salon, and she's also contributed to the nation, the New York observer, the New York times,

the Washington Post, Vogue, and many other magazines. She's the author of all the single ladies,

big girls don't cry, and her latest book, which we discuss, is Good and Mad, the revolutionary

power of women's anger. Just a couple of things to be aware of here. We were talking past each other

a bit. This was a conversation that certainly could have gone the way of my conversation with Ezra

Klein. I'm happy to say it didn't. One technical limitation, which I mentioned at some point,

there was a latency problem that sometimes happens in these remote podcasts where I can't interrupt

a guest. So when you hear me try and it proves totally ineffectual, that's not Rebecca being

especially vehement. She literally cannot hear my attempts to interject. So you'll notice that

I gradually learned that and for the most part, stop trying. But it was a good conversation nonetheless.

We get into the issues of me too and race fairly deeply. She is quite a bit more woke than I am.

No question about that. Anyway, more and more I think it's just important to attempt

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