Good day, Thomas Jefferson, our podcast listeners.

Thank you so much for listening.

And oh my goodness, what a conversation we have for you this week.

I just want to say to everybody that this is really important,

you may disagree, you may agree, you may sometimes agree,

and sometimes disagree.

But what we've done today is that the three of us,

and principally, Joe Ellis, have given their predictions

about what's going to happen two weeks from now

when the country does decide who the next president

of the United States is.

Of course, there's no way to know that could be Trump.

It could be Biden.

It could be so hopelessly contested

that we don't even know until Christmas.

But I think it's important.

We did this before the Iraq War.

We've done this in front of previous elections.

And so the question is, how can we get from Joe Ellis

some insights that will help us make sense

of what's about to happen?

And so that's the spirit of the thing.

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