I'm Aiton Weinstein. And I'm Naor Menninger. And you're listening to Two Nice Jewish Boys.

This podcast is made in collaboration with the Jewish Journal.

George Lucas and Steven Spielberg are undoubtedly two of the 20th century's best and most influential

directors and screenwriters. Rarely did these two collaborate, but the first time they did, they

brought to life one of the greatest adventure series of all time. Indiana Jones. What is it that

draws us to Indiana Jones and his archaeological adventures? Is it the quest for hidden treasures?

Is it the thrill of uncovering the secrets of our long-lost past? Or is it the ridiculous,

life-threatening situations into which he inevitably stumbles? Probably all of the above, and more.

But for some people, watching Indiana Jones isn't enough. Jim Barfield, sitting here with us today, is a firefighter and a criminal investigator from Oklahoma, with a passion for the Bible and a fascination with the Dead Sea Scrolls, particularly the Copper Scroll, which, unlike the other Dead Sea Scrolls, is not a literary work, but rather a list of places.

But not just random places, places where supposedly buried in the ground are various items of gold and silver.

In other words, a bona fide treasure map.

So in a sense today on the podcast, we're joined by a real life, Indiana Jones.

Here to tell us the story of the Copper Scroll is Jim Barfield.

How are you today?

I'm wonderful.

You guys are building me up way too much.

Are you kidding?

When I first read about this, I mean, I knew about the Dead Sea Scrolls generally, but when I first read

about the Copper Scroll, I was like, holy shit. Excuse my language, but this is so cool.

What is the Copper Scroll? It's exactly what it sounds like. It's a scroll, about seven feet

long, approximately two meters, and about a foot wide. And it's got 17 columns or 1712 columns of

Hebrew ancient Hebrew that describes the locations of what I believe is 57 locations of the

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