Top Gun. I assume the movies are 100% accurate.

And that's exactly how it was for you. Like, are you pretty good at volleyball?

You nailed it. Yeah, movies is basically a documentary. We hit the mail in the head.

Only Marine to ever flown the F-22. I was the first pilot in the world to be qualified in both the F-22 and F-35.

And I was the only dual-qualified fifth-gen

guy for like six or seven years, which is crazy as a Marine. Bullets going past trade and I'm

not exaggerating. Like it was crazy how up close and personal, especially urban combat is. You

start to see things in a very intense level

and much more closely, and I won't lie, like, I really fell in over my head.

I felt overwhelmed.

The F-35 as a community had to take all these incredibly capable, incredibly competent, deeply

rooted cultural histories and turn them into F-35 pilots.

That is really hard to do.

My program, careful, set 354-16.

Let's on.

Next day.

Okay, let's do a podcast. What can go wrong? You know, just record everything.

Well, Chip, man, thanks for joining me on the podcast. I'm excited for this one. This will be a good conversation.

You obviously have a very distinguished career with a lot of accomplishments. I mean, we'll probably have to do two rounds of this. But I do I do appreciate you taking the time today. Yeah, dude, this is awesome, man. Thank you. Well, I got to kick it off. I mean, this is first and foremost Hornet or Viper. I mean, which one? I mean, you've had the privilege of flying both of them. I mean, you obviously know this, you know, you can't help but just be super loyal to your first love. You know, the Hornet for me was the plane as I grew up as a little kid wanting to fly. I love that airplane. When I got to get dual-qualified in the Viper, it was like hitting the jackpot. And then there's just, there's things in the F-16 that not just better than the Hornet, better than any airplane I've ever flown.

The view, I mean, there's just things about the U.S. 16 that are just undeniable. You just don't get as lucky as I usually, as I do as most people don't usually get that lucky. To have flown both was the best. There's no way you could pick. There's things that Viper I wouldn't trade for anything. Same with the Hornet.

Getting to fly both was just like the coolest thing ever, man. I think with AI now, I can take all the words you just said and I can just make sure it just comes out as the Vipers. Yeah. So, hey, I can't agree more. Yeah. Yeah. Did that jet, though. I mean, we flew like slick block 15s. We didn't even have a centerline pylon.

I mean, that jet was just, it was the coolest thing in the world, man. And like I said, you know, the view, there's nothing like that airplane. I love that airplane. The fact that you got to fly, obviously, both those, not to mention the Raptor and the F-35. Yeah. We got a whole host of aviation stuff to talk about. That's pretty cool.

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