If you can't find a positive reinforcer that will work because the dog doesn't care about it because it cares more about getting the scary thing to go away, are we going to be zealots about not using negative reinforcement to increase that dog's quality of life and make sure that the dog isn't having complete explosions?

Or are we going to go, well, I can't use negative reinforcement.

So the dog is going to suffer and have, I can't use negative reinforcement, so the dog is going to

suffer and have, you know, very few joys in life?

Hey there, fellow training nerds. You're listening to Drinking from the Toilet. And I'm your host,

Hannah Brandigan, teacher, trainer, podcaster, and author of the book, Awesome Obedience, and its companion, Awesome Obedience, The Field Guide, both of which you can pick up anytime you

like from clickertraining.com.

And don't forget that on June 7th, I'll be joined by three of the most brilliant trainers

in the positive training world for a live event all about using start buttons and choice

in training. Sherag Patel, Eva Bertelssohn, and Emily Johnson Vague, and I will be working our dogs

live using start buttons. I understand Shrag even has a new pup joining him. So if you want to

join us, you can go to my website or follow a link in the show notes and sign up to see some

live training about start buttons and get any questions that you

have around this topic answered because that's what we're here for.

This week, we are talking about constructional aggression treatment, which is often abbreviated

C-A-T or cat.

And you know how I feel about clever acronyms?

I just get very excited.

It's really dorky.

But anyways, we're having a conversation with Kelly Snyder, who originally researched and

developed Kat, and we're joined by Lauren Novak, who's been working with Kelly recently on this,

and we'll be presenting a series of webinars on the topic. And I am going to link to those in the

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