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Today I am speaking with Yavall Noah Harari. Yavall has a PhD in history from the University of

Oxford, and he lectures at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, where he specializes in world history.

His books have been translated into over 50 languages, and these books are sapiens,

a brief history of humankind, homodeos, a brief history of tomorrow, and his new book, which we

discuss today, is 21 lessons for the 21st century. Yavall is rather like me in that he spends a

lot of time worrying out loud. He's also a long-term meditator. I don't know if there's a connection

there. There was so much to talk about. There is much more in the new book than we touched,

but we touched a lot. We actually started talking about the importance of meditation for his

intellectual life. We talk about the primacy of stories. The need to revise our fundamental

assumptions about human civilization and how it works. The current threats to liberal democracy,

what a world without work might look like. Universal basic income, the virtues of nationalism.

Yavall has some surprising views on that. The implications of AI and automation, and several other

topics, so without further delay, I bring you Yavall Noah Harari.

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