Welcome back to Samus Popery. I'm Joe Heschmeier. Mel Gibson, the guy behind things like The Passion of the Christ, Braveheart, signs if you're into sci-fi. He sat down on the Joe Rogan show and had a pretty fascinating interview. There were a couple of things that I really liked in one kind of direction he went that I think is spiritually poisonous. I wanted to highlight both what I think he nails and what I think he gets really dangerously wrong. First, what I think he nails. I think he boldly proclaims

the gospel about the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ in an easy to understand sort

of 30-second soundbite. I regard the gospel as history. It's a verifiable history. Some people

say, oh, it's a fairy tale. He never exists, but he did. And there are other accounts, verifiable, historical accounts, outside the biblical ones that also bear this up that, yes, he did exist. And the other aspect of that is that all the evangelists,, the apostles who went out there, every single one

of those guys died rather than deny their belief. And nobody dies for a lie. Nobody.

Bear in mind, you know, Mel Gibson's not a theologian. He's not an apologist. Maybe you

nitpicked the way he says this or that. But frankly, in a conversational format with Joe Rogan, I think this was a great way of laying out a pretty thoughtful case, pointing to actual evidence. You know, the gospels are historical accounts. You got this extra biblical evidence. And he has that great line. Nobody dies for a lie. And this, I think,

it struck a chord with people, and I saw numerous people quoted afterwards. The second

thing that he does that I think we would do well to remember is he is unabashed about standing

up against corruption in the church, things like sexual abuse and deviancy and the like.

And that, I think, again, if you read the comments, people are relieved to say, you know,

oh, look, a Catholic who's not afraid to call out, you know, erring and malicious and abusive

predators in the Catholic clergy.

And so, you know, if you're a Catholic watching this, you're probably like, well, you

have course. But bear in mind, you know, people outside the Catholic ranks

may not realize that you're as disgusted by those things as they are. So let that be known.

However, Mel Gibson turns his sight not so much against just like the sexual abuses,

but also against what he views as kind of theological abuses.

And in particular, he uses the platform to spread a version of the kind of state of acontism that he's associated with.

So I want to explain kind of Mel's case for state of acontism, what it is, and why it's a problem. So first,

let's just start at the basic level. What is Sadevacantism? The name Sadeh comes from seat

or chair, and it comes from the idea of the papacy, the chair of Peter, is vacant. There is,

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