This is Jockel Podcast number 137 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink. Good evening, echo. Good evening.

If you know the way broadly, you will see it in all things. And that is a simplified quote from Musashi's book of five rings.

And it's a solid quote, makes sense. I believe it to be true. But at the same time, while I agree with Musashi, that if you know the way broadly, you'll see it in all things.

There's a little bit of a problem with that concept. And the problem is, how do you get to know the way broadly?

I mean, the way is no easy thing to grasp. You aren't born with it. You don't just wake up with it. It's something that you have to learn.

And it's something that you are always still learning. But even though you have to learn the way, at the same time, learning the way is hard because the way is something that's hard.

And recently I've been asked, you know, by a couple different people and a couple different scenarios, how I learned what I learned.

How have I learned what I learned? And this is, believe me, no claim that I know a ton of stuff. I don't.

As I just said, I am still learning. But I will say that I do know the way broadly enough that I now see it everywhere and in everything.

So how did I learn the way?

Well, it's kind of interesting because it's a combination of, actually, it's more of a collision of a bunch of different things, of course, my time in the SEAL teams. And I do trace a lot of it back to the SEAL POTUNE where we had a little mutiny, we had a bad boss, and we ended up turning against him and he got fired and replaced by the best boss.

And the just a position and the contrast between really good leadership and really bad leadership made it very clear.

But it wasn't just that. Of course, I had other great guys that I worked with in the SEAL teams that taught me a ton of great instructor cadre that put me through training, taught me a ton.

And you know, I realized I always paid close attention to leadership and tactics. And I think that's probably because I saw something that I might be able to get good at since there was a lot of things that I wasn't naturally good. I wasn't naturally the strongest. I wasn't naturally the fastest.

I wasn't naturally the best shot, so I kind of paid attention to leadership and I paid attention to who did it well and who didn't. And I paid attention to tactics. And I paid attention to what worked and what didn't from a tactical perspective.

And I read. Now, I will tell you right now I did not read a lot by any stretch, especially compared to how much I read right now.

But I read some important books that had a big impact on me. And of course, they were only books about war. And in those books about war, the things that I actually paid attention to wasn't like the, wasn't the political situation that was going on.

I paid attention to the leadership, I paid attention to the tactics, I paid attention to the human nature of how men reacted to war.

And so some of those books and again, it wasn't a lot about face with the old breed battle leadership the last hundred yards, some very straight forward books and books that I covered early on this podcast.

And then of course, on top of that, I got lucky with my deployments overseas and I got to experience war from a leadership perspective.

And I started to see how things overlap and intertwined. And one of the things that really helped me see the connections between leadership and tactics and human nature and life in general was,

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