What's up, everybody? This is Cortland from Indiehackers.com, and you're listening to the IndieHackers podcast.

On this show, I talked to the founders of profitable internet businesses, and I try to get a sense of what it's like to be in their shoes.

How did they get to where they are today? How did they make decisions, both of their companies and in their personal lives, and what exactly makes their businesses tick? And the goal here, as always, is so that the rest of us can learn from their examples and go on to build our own profitable internet businesses. Today I'm talking to Dave Sempz. Dave, welcome to the show. Hey, thanks so much for having me, Cortland. I'm excited to be here. Thanks for joining. You are the founder of two different tech companies, both of which are self-funded, both of which are profitable and generate many millions of dollars in revenue and both of which have dozens of employees. So my first question for you right out of the gate is how do you do that? How do you juggle running two multi-million dollar businesses simultaneously?

Oh, first you start with naivete. You don't know what you're getting into, right? So first business

I started way back in 2000 and just, and it was my third attempt that year. So in 2000, I tried

three different businesses. The first two just sort of I knew they weren't going anywhere and I gave up

on them, but the

third one seemed to take hold.

And then the next one wasn't all the way till 13 years later, 2013.

So I just had the energy and by then we had grown.

I was able to recruit and retain some really talented folks.

And so that makes all the difference in being able to run to organizations at the same time.

How much time would you say you devote to each of your businesses, Flux, which you started back in 2000?

And Flofi, which you started in 2013.

Right.

So lately with Flofi, just charging hard, I've been like 90 to 95% Flowfai and 5 to 10% flux.

And let's just call it 9010 these days.

Just that's where the attention seems to go.

Cool.

So you must have a lot of delegation going on.

You mentioned you have employees and good hires that you've made at Flux.

You've got, I think, six employees at Fl and 35 at Flouify. That's right. You got it right on the head. So six at Flux, Floufai. Flouify grew out of flux. So in the beginning, you know, Floufi was just a part of flux. And we spun it off. And it's been growing really hard. And yeah, we're up to 35 now.

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