What's up, everybody? This is Cortland from IndieHackers.com, and you're listening to the IndieHackers podcast. On this show, I talked to the founders of profitable internet businesses, and I try to get a sense of what it's like to be in their shoes. How do they get to where they are today? How do they make decisions, both of their companies and of their personal lives? And what exactly makes their businesses tick? And the goal here, as always, is so that the rest of us can learn from their examples and go on to build our own profitable internet businesses. Today I'm talking to the one and only Taylor Otwell. Taylor is one of the most requested guests for me to have on the show since I

started it two years ago. So Taylor, welcome to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. Glad to be here.

Glad to have you. You are the creator of Larravel. It's a web framework for PHP developers.

I think it's the most popular web framework back in web framework on GitHub too. It's got more stars even than

Ruby on Rails. So it's used by many hundreds of thousands, if not millions of developers.

Can you let us know what the revenue numbers are like for the Larravel ecosystem as a whole?

Larravelle ecosystem does a little more than $3 million a year in revenue.

That's crazy, especially for an open source project.

Yeah, pretty wild.

And you're not just working on Leravel, the framework itself,

but you've also built kind of a suite of products on top of Leravel.

So you've got products like Spark, Nova, Envoyer, and Forge.

How much revenue are these projects generating?

They've each, every product I've launched, besides my latest one in, that I just launched

in July, Laramow Vapor, has made over a million in its lifetime.

So like I have different kinds of products.

I have a couple SaaS products like Forge and Envoyer.

Forge makes a couple million actually a year. Envoyer is probably close to like a half million a year.

And then the other one-off products, things like Nova and Spark, I don't really keep track of what those do a month anymore.

But like over their lifetime, they're both over a million dollars separately. And you've also got a bunch of other things you're working on that I think most people would consider businesses in and of themselves. So you've got Laricon, which is an entire conference that you put on. You've written books and guides and generated many tens of thousands of dollars and revenue off of those things. So you've really done it all.

How big is the team?

How many co-founders do you have?

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