This is Jonathan Peugeot. We've been talking about having a conversation for a while. And my fans are dying for me to talk to you, just so you know.

That's hilarious. Everybody. Well, I've been seeing you for years, like just especially, I mean, since the Jordan Peterson thing happened, I've been seeing your videos, watching a few videos and just kind of seeing you around with Paul Vanderclay and different people.

So I'm happy to talk to you finally.

Yeah, I'm a pro-Christianity atheist.

So I'm hated on both sides often.

So I'm much less hated by the Christians because obviously I'm pro-Christianity.

I grew up Christian.

So I feel qualified to talk about Christianity because I grew up within the religion.

I grew up Southern Baptist. And though I

kind of grew into atheism because of my being a fan of science and evolution and all that

kind of stuff, I've sort of become an atheist, I still understand the value of Christianity

and an ethical system and an ethical package.

And really the people that despise me are what I call the antithiest, which I like to separate

the atheists from the antithiest because atheists just lack of belief in God.

A lot of times antithias will say, well, an atheism is just a lack of belief in God, and I'll think, yes, that's true,

but you have a belief in something different. You're an antithist. You believe the world would

be a better place without religion. Like that's the central motivating feature of your ideology.

I do not believe the world would be a better place without religion. I lack of belief in God.

I'm an atheist. You're an

antithist. So I make that separation, that distinction. But we were talking a little bit before we

started about you recently did a talk with rationality rules. And I listened to that talk. I thought

it was interesting, but I agree with some of the people saying that there was a little bit of talking past one another. So I thought it was interesting but I I agree that with some of the people

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