This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. Today, I'm reading an author whose name is Mauryzio Ferraris.

He wrote a book just recently, several years ago,

the title is Manifesto del Nouvelovo Realism, Manifesto of New Realism,

meaning that we're finding the ontology again and trying to avoid mixing or irresponsibly

ontology and epistemology. That's the kind of the base of his argument where postmodernism kind of perpetuated that

confusion between ontology and epistemology.

Okay, that's that's it.

Well, it's great to meet.

It's great to meet everybody.

And so I am mostly an artist.

That's mostly my job.

I'm an icon carver.

But now I, through my coming to icon carving, you could say, part of it was also rediscovering an ancient

language, rediscovering an ancient visual language that bubbled up and developed in Christianity.

I always say that if, you know, in the time of Dante, maybe a little bit before,

but I would say even still in the time of Dante, if you

had been in a church pretty much anywhere in the world, whether in Italy or in Syria or in

Constantinople or in France, you would have seen essentially the same thing. There was a patterned

language which had come up and this pattern language had become a universal language.

And so it was in part in discovering this pattern language,

also discovering the pattern language that was in scripture,

and the pattern language that was in architecture and in liturgy,

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