What Came Next is intended for mature audiences only.

Episodes discuss topics that can be triggering,

such as emotional, physical, and sexual violence, animal abuse, suicide, and murder.

I am not a therapist, nor am I a doctor.

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Opinions expressed by my guests on the show are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of myself or broken cycle media.

Resources and source material are linked in the episode notes. Thank you so much for listening. Jen Holman is a faithful mother and family woman living in Idaho by way of Southern California.

Our paths first crossed over 18 years ago,

when she began dating my brother, whom she has chosen to address as Jessie in this episode,

although I have referred to him as Rory in the past. Her relationship with Jesse began a year

and a few months prior to my mother's murder, and

although I was privy to a portion of what Jen will share in this conversation, some of the

more explicit details of the abuse she faced evaded us as a family. Through this interview,

I've also now learned a lot more about the night my mom was murdered. I commend

Jen's bravery and sharing, and I'm personally, deeply grateful she was willing to divulge so much

with us today. It may have taken us nearly 18 years to have this conversation, but as

Hippocrates said, healing is a matter of time, but it is sometimes also a matter of opportunity.

I'm Jen. I am a mother of two. I'm pretty sure my friends would say that I'm off my rocker on most days,

but that I love hard and that I am always the person that will be there for you whenever you need anything.

I live in Idaho now after living in California for most of my life.

I've been here for a while.

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