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john nelson welcome back to the show it's great to be here happy christmas merry christmas or is it dun dun. And I don't just mean because we're deeply unhappy or something, or that we're secretly filming this episode in advance of Christmas.

But that Christmas time is traditionally celebrated in the Christian tradition, at least the Western Christian tradition, on the 25th of December, which is

forthcoming for our viewers. Is that the date of Jesus's birth? Certainly by the 4th century, Christians

thought it was. But it's actually more about the death of Jesus than the birth of Jesus.

So there was this theory that Christ was conceived on the day he died.

So at least in our Christian sources, we have this idea that Jesus died on the 25th of March.

And so allowing nine months, we make it to the 25th of December.

Interesting.

As for the gospel accounts, we have shepherds watching their flocks by night.

And so people say, okay, it absolutely couldn't have been Christmas.

But we've been to the Holy Land together.

We know that it's

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