You won't get hurt if you just keep your hands off.

And stand tall all. Like sit on the mall. Yeah. This is hell.

Live from the United States and the nightmare of want.

This is hell.

When we think of slavery and colonialism, we likely think of these cruel and brutal institutions

as things of the past, in our rearview mirror horrors that

humanity has moved beyond and are now relics of a history that we must confront.

But what if neither colonialism nor slavery ever ended, and not in the lingering

legacy kind of way, but their actual processes continuing? What if slavery and colonialism have an afterlife, like a zombie that just continues to thrive?

As our guest today cites the writer and African American studies scholar Sidia Hartman.

Black lives are still imperiled and devalued by a racial calculus and a political

arithmetic that were entrenched centuries ago.

This is the afterlife of slavery,

skewed life chances, limited access to health and education,

premature death, incarceration, and impoverishment. What if the same can be said to this day when it comes to

colonialism that all of its exploitation and imposition of race and gender still very

much exists and how does austerity and debt reflect that

coloniality.

We will consider how colonialism still thrives as colonialism and the potential for de-coloniality in a few minutes

when we speak with Rosio Zambrana.

Author of Colonial Debts, The Case of Puerto Rico. Rosio is associate professor of philosophy at

Emory University and also the author of Hegel's Theory of Intelligibility, which

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