If you're not seeking feedback about your business idea or just in life from people that you respect, and in some cases people that you don't, you're dumb.

If you're listening to it, to it all, you're even dumber.

You must have the confidence to sort of ignore a lot of people that in some cases know more than you to kind of to take different ideas and things on board, but to not ultimately, to still to follow your instinct.

That's really, really important.

And that takes courage at times.

And I think we sort of, between Joey and I and our partnership, we were able to kind of navigate through both.

And, you know, and Allbirds was born and started to sort of work.

And it was, you know, just a really, really exciting time.

Hey, Hurtlers.

Emily Abadi here bringing you episode 134 of Hurtle, a wellness-focused podcast where I sit down with

inspiring individuals to talk about everything from their big wins to how they've gotten through

some of life's toughest moments. On the show, you can expect vulnerability, motivation, and candid discussions

with everyone from top athletes to aspiring entrepreneurs on what it really takes to follow

your passions. My mission is simple, to inspire you to be your best self, move with intention,

and have some fun along the way. For today's episode,

I am chatting with Tim Brown. He is the co-founder of Allbirds. Now, you may know Allbirds,

originally for their cozy wool runner shoes, But more recently, the companies expanded

to running sneakers and underwear.

And just last week, they launched their debut clothing collection,

including t-shirts and crue necks and cardigans.

In today's episode, Tim talks to me about it all,

including how he went from playing professional soccer

...