134. Shifting Mindsets and Systems with Jennifer Morgan
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
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🗓️ 16 December 2021
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
In this week’s episode we continue our series debriefing COP26 and take a look at the climate movement for their perspective on the outcomes of the Glasgow Climate Pact. Staying optimistic and fighting for climate justice - because indeed our lives depend on it - is a rightful approach to the conversation. And yet, the clock is ticking. What’s the reality behind fast-tracking our path to only a 1.5 world?
Today, we talk to Jennifer Morgan, Executive Director at Greenpeace International, who joins us to discuss how shifting mindsets and systems are crucial in finding alternative development models and dismantling systems of oppression.
Jennifer lays out how we can rebuild trust between those on the proverbial “inside” and “outside”. Because, whilst we have seen a huge coming together of stakeholders, movements and mindsets, this conversation focuses on understanding why we hear some voices proclaim a historic and generational win, while others voice a more depleted and disappointed point of view at the lack of urgency and responsibility by those in positions of power. The reality is that both are true.
Join us in piecing together the puzzle and understanding deeper our role in the movement as a podcast.
And don’t miss IDER, our musical artist with their song, BORED- a song born out of frustration at the profit structures behind corporate power and false advertising.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism. I'm Tom Reffit-Karnack. |
| 0:15.6 | I'm Kostiana Pugidis. |
| 0:17.0 | And I'm Paul Dickinson. This week we talk about whether oil and gas companies can or should |
| 0:22.4 | have a platform to speak on climate and other issues. Plus we give you a special conversation |
| 0:28.2 | with Jennifer Morgan, Executive Director of Greenpeace International, and we have music |
| 0:33.2 | from Ida. Thanks for being here. |
| 0:46.2 | So we have a fantastic conversation for you this week with the Executive Director of Greenpeace |
| 0:50.0 | International. Jennifer Morgan is a completely brilliant person we've known her for many years, |
| 0:53.7 | as you're going to experience later. But just before we get into that, I wonder |
| 0:57.9 | the two of you. We've been scanning the news now and a few weeks out from COP. What's been striking |
| 1:02.2 | you? Do you feel like we get with sense that the wind is at our back? What's changing in the |
| 1:06.2 | world in climate at the moment? Well, I must say, I think when we talked about the decisions |
| 1:11.7 | that came out of COP26, we underlined that the language for the first time has been so much more |
| 1:20.0 | of a language of urgency and emergency. And maybe it's just my wishful thinking, but I am seeing |
| 1:28.0 | so much more action concentrated. And so I'm hoping that this actually is a reaction to urgency |
| 1:35.2 | and emergency that was first put on the table by scientists and now by COP26 itself. So a couple |
| 1:40.6 | of examples, coal is for sure. For sure, just on the demise, no matter what the very sophisticated |
| 1:48.3 | language was that they agreed to at COP26, the fact that the G7 is now completely out of coal. |
| 1:55.9 | And the fact that AIA has now sold off 10 billion of their coal investments. So that is definitely |
| 2:04.4 | the coal industry is an industry that is now starved for capital and hence very much on the demise. |
| 2:10.8 | But it doesn't stop there. Oil and gas also being pretty well affected. Iceland has stopped their |
| 2:18.1 | new oil exploration, Norway stopped oil licenses in virgin areas as of 2022, which apparently |
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