In the consult, we discuss cases involving violence, sexual violence, abduction, and murder.

Sometimes the cases we discuss involve children.

Listener discretion is advised.

Music Welcome to the consult.

I'm Julia Cowley, retired FBI agent and profiler, and I'm joined by my colleagues.

Angela Serser. Susan Costler, Drew, and Bob Drew.

Angela, Susan, and Bob are also retired FBI profilers, and we work together in the FBI's

behavioral analysis unit. Before we get started, I want to thank our Patreon members for their

continued support.

If you'd like to support the consult and get early and add free access to our episodes, you can join us at patreon.com slash the consult pod.

We also have a Facebook fan page called Unsubs, by fans for fans of the consult where listeners

can discuss our episodes and other true crime topics and I am a member of Unsubs as well

and I will occasionally jump in if I'm tagged to try to answer some of the questions.

And I have to say the questions are very thoughtful and often challenging.

And they make me think a lot.

And the truth is I don't have all the answers.

I don't think any of us on this show have all the answers, but we try. And we try to best answer them through our behavioral lens, through our experience,

through the research that we've read and conducted in our careers.

But that's exactly why we do this work to try to better understand and answer the very

questions that you ask in unsubs and the reason you listen to our show.

So we appreciate, really appreciate all the engagement that we do get.

But like I said, the questions can be very challenging, which, well, I appreciate that.

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