Welcome to a meathead hippie podcast, Ben Garland.

I'm so glad you're doing this intro with me.

Welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

I am so glad that you were on this because we just were on a boat together.

We met at our bed and breakfast.

I hung out with you for a day.

I get stung by a jellyfish.

Somehow we meet this amazing guy named

Norm and then we end up on a boat looking at whales. So I thought it would be fun to share a little

bit of your perspective of kind of what you do and how you got involved in this, but also just

talk about this amazing thing that just happened filming a podcast on a boat yeah the that was an incredible

experience you're just talking about like being out there with the whales and then having that whale

comes so close to us at the end was an incredible experience and then on top of it knowing it's all

for a good cause and it's helped these whales. It was really cool.

It really was.

So tell me about, well, I'm going to do my best introing you.

I apologize if I butcher this, but you are a center for the 49ers.

Yes.

And you came to Maui.

What brought you to Maui?

So I went to Maui both because a little bit of like after the season, just mentally get away.

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