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Well, this is the kind of conversation I've been wanting to have about race for quite some time.

At the end of these two hours, I think you'll recognize that you haven't heard people talk about race

this way in a mainstream forum. And there's a reason for that, because this is just a minefield.

Now to make clear at the beginning, I'm sure there are other ways of interpreting some of the data

we cite on economics or crime, for instance. And I'm aware that there are other sides to many of these

points, but all you've heard in the mainstream media are the other sides. And often the most

tendentious and sanctimonious and bullying in versions. There isn't orthodoxy on the issue of race,

and it's taboo to question it, and it's growing increasingly clear that the orthodoxy is leading

us in the wrong direction. Now after the atrocious podcast I did with Ezra Klein, and all of the

poison I wound up drinking online in the aftermath. I realized that I had a choice. I could avoid

the issue of race entirely, or I could continue to speak about it honestly. I've made my choice,

apparently, because this is an important issue. In fact, it's one of the most important issues

we have, because it is so divisive. So I've been wanting to have a discussion like this for months,

and I found the person who could best walk me through this minefield quite by accident,

and in a somewhat unlikely place. My guess today is Coleman Hughes, as you'll hear,

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