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Today on the show, what if your body isn't broken?

It's just running a terrible emergency response protocol. You've got chronic pain, anxiety,

IBS, migraines, fatigue, long COVID, mystery symptoms, normal test results, and a doctor

shrugging at you like, good news, you're healthy, bad news, you're still feeling miserable all the

time. Today we're talking with

Nicole Sacks, LCSW, psychotherapist, author of Mind Your Body, and creator of journal speak, about the

idea that the brain can generate very real physical symptoms as part of a protective response.

And before you throw your earbuds across the room, because this sounds like I'm telling you it's all

in your head, but with better lighting, that's exactly what we're going to challenge here, because the pain

is real, the symptoms are real, the question is whether the source is always actually where we've

been told to look. We'll dig into how stress, trauma, emotional suppression, and a nervous

system stuck in fight or flight can keep the body sounding alarms long after the

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