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All it takes is a yes.

Welcome to Skeptical Sunday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. Today I'm here with Skeptical

Sunday co-host writer and researcher Jessica Wynn. On the Jordan Harbinger, you know it's funny,

Jessica. I was doing comments on Spotify. You can look at people's comments and stuff, and I like

to engage there. I like to engage wherever people comment about the show. And people were like, I don't know what it is with Jordan, but he just sucks up to this guest, Jessica. And I was like, you do. You know, what a weird thing to say about somebody that you work with that you've known for a long time? Like, I would get it if it was like a celebrity, no offense. I would get it if it's like a celebrity or something like that, like, oh, look at this guy. And I'm like, is it weird to get along with people that you were,

I don't know, that's the age of the internet that we're in right now, where it's actually weird. Right, be mean to me. Yeah. You shut up, Jessica. Who said you could talk on this episode of the show where I pay you to talk. I mean, what am I supposed to do? Like, I'm supposed to talk down to you and make you

look stupid on this show. That's- Yeah, please. That's entertainment, Jordan. It is. Well, that's what passes for entertainment. And the other thing that's weird about it is it's like, if I were rude to you, I would like to think, I would hope that I would get more comments about how I'm not treating you well, but treating someone too well, I don't know, and people, like someone's like, I agree with Tom or whatever, Nick, I agree with Nick, said that sucks up to it. And I'm just, I was thinking, because of course, me being the neurotic podcast host that I am, I'm like, well, now I have to think about every single thing I've ever said to you and what it might, the vibe of that might be. I don't know. I just thought that was such a funny.

I meant to share that with you earlier, but I think it's a funny thing to share with the audience as well because, I don't know, I guess we're not supposed to get along. I don't know. Okay, let's be more combative today. Yeah, let's do that, huh? That's a good idea. Finally, you've had a good idea.

All right, shut up.

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started. Today on the show, we're talking about something most people never think about until it

becomes everything they think about. Dialysis. It's one of those words that live somewhere in the back of your brain. You kind of know maybe it's kidney related. You know it sounds serious. You hope you never need to know more than that. And then one day, it's your life on the line or that of somebody you love. And suddenly, that word isn't medical trivia. It's a machine you're hooked up to three times a week. There's something about this that feels very American. Look, we can build a device that keeps you alive and also quietly bankrupt to you. I mean, it's just a miracle of modern science. Here to help us filter the stream of info on dialysis is writer and researcher Jessica Wynn. So quick heads up, by the way, we're going to be discussing some medical stuff that's going to make some people squeamish. So if you're one of those people's like, I'm listening while I'm eating, and if it's going to be gross, you've got to tell me this might be one of those. Jess, dialysis, I'll be honest, I kind of know that it has to do with kidneys and blood cleaning, and there's a machine involved, and there's franchises. That's kind of where my knowledge ends, which I think that puts me in

with about 99% of Americans. Yeah, definitely. And the invisibility is the whole story. So I didn't

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