Good Day Thomas Jefferson, our podcast listeners and we have a discussion of disease this way.

I got to say a couple of weeks ago you said I want to do a Jefferson Joe on Spongbox and I went what?

And then I got into it and we started it was a great idea.

I congratulate you and thank you.

It was a real fun conversation on a grim subject.

Well, first of all, it's inherently interesting.

So here's Jefferson.

I mean, if he'd done nothing else in his life,

as an advocate for the vaccine,

as a believer in an inoculation,

as somebody who wanted to address epidemiology, he's a hero.

He sent the serum up with Lewis and Clark.

If it had been, if it had stayed active, it went inert.

If it had stayed active, it might have changed the course of history, although you wonder

what leaders of the tribes would have thought when Jefferson...

I have trouble thinking that...

They would have done it.

Do what for hot?

What?

Although there was some knowledge of the disease.

They understood it.

But beyond that, as you know, we're living through this moment where this has gotten a lot of press,

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