You are listening to the Overcome Pornography for Good podcast, episode 133, spirituality, loved, held, guided, and never alone.

Welcome to the Overcome Pornography for Good podcast where we take a research-based, trauma-informed, and results-focused approach to quitting porn. This approach has been revolutionary

and changed thousands and thousands of lives. I'm your host, Sarah Brewer.

You guys, welcome to today's podcast episode. So glad to have you here. We're doing another little talk on spirituality.

One of the reasons that I have wanted to talk about this a little bit more than maybe I have

in the past is because I am planning an ecclesiastical leader training in September.

And it's going to be a great, great, great training for any ecclesiastical

leaders, bishops, pastors, you know, whatever your status position in your church congregation might be.

There are so many spiritual leaders who come across trying to counsel, help, and work with

people who are trying to quit

porn in their congregations.

And, right?

Like, what do I even have to say?

There's so much to say.

These ecclesiastical leaders, they have so much power to do so much good in these situations and so much harm. There is so much

religious trauma that I see and spiritual trauma that I see in clients that I work with.

And so, so, so much of the damage around pornography is from things that they might have heard

past religious leaders say and even people who, you know, aren't necessarily trying to be

harmful. There's just maybe a little bit of a lack of education in a lot of these spheres. And I say

that with a lot of love in my heart because, you know, my dad was YSA Bishop for a while and just,

you know, I really, really do appreciate all of the people who are trying to help congregations.

And a lot of, at least like in the faith community that I grew up in,

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