I'm not pulling out of my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for the drive to work at home edition. Okay, guys, I often use my time at home to do interviews, and I have a great one today. We're going way back to early magic. Today I have Frank Kusamoto, who many of you might not even know who that is, but was actually formative in a very

early important part of magic, which we're going to get to today. He was the creator of the

dojo. And a lot of you might say, what is the dojo? Because this was from many, many years ago,

it was the first central spot for people to talk about magic in a big way on the

internet. And so I really wanted to expose all you to this really important part of magic history.

So, hey, Frank.

Hey, Mark.

Okay, so let's start at the very beginning, which is is how did the Jojo come to be?

Well, the very beginning is like basically the story of the beginning of the internet.

It's like 1996.

I got a on-up on Netcom, and they gave you 10 megabytes of space to make basically like a web page.

And I was reading articles on Usenet about magic.

And I'd only been interested in magic for a few months then.

But I started pollating the stuff that I was pulling down from Usenet and putting it on my page,

which a few other people were doing too.

There was land of Desto Guardian and a few other pages.

But anyways, I was doing that and I started getting interested in some decks like the necro

deck and all of a sudden I had all these articles together and then something happened.

I was working for the army at the time and I went over to a, I went over to this place. I was working for the army at the time and I went over to I went over to this place.

I was working on web pages for the military for military intelligence and they were trying to figure out how to put together information and be able to network that information between different

intelligence analysts. And I had already started this thing with magic and I kind of, I was

working both of them at the same time. So a lot of the web pages for the military stuff ended up looking like the dojo and vice versa.

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