I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for other drive to work at home edition.

So today, I have Neil LePont Johnson, who is the creative lead for Lorwyn Eclipse to talk all about the world building and creative of Lorwyn Eclipse.

Hello, Neil. This is Neil. Hey, Mark. I'm glad to be here again. As Mark said, I'm the creative lead of Lerwood Eclipse, and I couldn't be happier with the set and how fans are receiving it. So, great stuff. So the interesting, we're going to start a little different place today because I actually play a big role in the very early part of the story, and then we'll hand off to you in which I play a very small role, is I've been trying to get us to do Lorwyn for years.

And the pitch that I sort of came with was I knew that we didn't have space to do two different sets.

And because we had done a lot of worlds that were similar to Lorwin and Shadamor

individually, I felt really, really important that you needed to see both of them because

a lot of what, to me, defines Lorwyn is Shadamore.

And so I pitched the idea of, they start melding together, that the world is part Lorwin and part Shadamore. And so I pitched the idea of the, they start melding together, that the world is part

Lorwyn and part Shadamore.

And so that is, that is the pitch that I made for years, and it wasn't until Kamagawa

did well that we made a, we put Lorwin on some thing we asked the public, and it scored

really well on that, and that finally got us to do it.

So I do know when you guys started that the one given was it's Lorwyn plus Chathamor.

That was the one starting off point.

So what did you guys do with that?

So basically we had to kind of conceive of what the world would be if it was just like both of these things mixed.

I think the interesting tension of the original Lorwood and Shadowmore blocks was, you know, when it became night, essentially you switch to your Shadowmore form.

And when it became day, you switched to your Lorwyn form.

And that would happen, you know, but you can only be one or the other.

And you didn't really know about, unless you were one of the main characters from, you know,

the narrative or Una, you didn't really know that that was happening.

And so we thought that that proposal sounded really interesting from it like an ideological

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