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Magic: The Gathering Drive to Work Podcast

#1304: Upkeep

Magic: The Gathering Drive to Work Podcast

Wizards of the Coast

Leisure, Game Design, Mtg, Duels Of The Planeswalkers, Games, Ccg, Mark Rosewater, Magic The Gathering

4.7801 Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

In this podcast, I call the upkeep step the appendix of Magic. Why? Listen in as I talk all about the origin and history of upkeep.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for their drive to work.

0:06.7

Okay, so today's topic is an interesting one. I'm going to talk about upkeep. So where this came

0:13.1

about is a conversation I had in my blog where I talked about that I don't know if upkeep is needed

0:19.7

anymore. So a number of years ago, I wrote an

0:23.8

article called Starting Over. Now, to be clear, I wrote two different articles called Starting Over.

0:29.3

One of them was about Mulligans. That's not the one I'm talking about. But I wrote an article that

0:33.8

was kind of done as a short story where I go back in time and I meet Richard

0:38.2

Garfield and I tell him things he could change if he's starting over.

0:43.0

The idea was, if we had magic to do over again, there are some things we would do differently.

0:48.4

I did a podcast number 202.

0:51.8

So a while back, I did a podcast on this.

0:54.6

But I don't think during that whole conversation, I even talked about upkeep.

0:58.5

So today is more than you ever wanted to know about the upkeep step.

1:03.1

And me kind of diving into why I think it is the appendix of magic.

1:09.0

Let me explain that metaphor.

1:11.1

So I think sign is believed that the appendix used to have some important function,

1:15.5

but I don't believe it has an important function anymore.

1:18.1

And mostly people have to get removed and stuff.

1:19.9

But it doesn't really serve the body.

1:23.3

I mean, once upon a time it did, but it doesn't really serve the body.

1:26.0

So that is my metaphor of upkeep. I think it served a purpose once upon a time it did, but it doesn't really serve the body. So that is my metaphor of upkeep. I think it served a purpose once upon a time. But there's so many cards that care about it. Once again, when I always talk about starting over, it's, there's a lot of things that because of inertia, we won't change. Like magic's been played that way. A lot of cards were made to use that. So it's hard for us to sort of change how it works. That starting over is this premise, like if we had the game to start over, you know, there are things we would do differently from the beginning. That's not that we will change them now. I don't think upkeep's going anywhere. Although I, we essentially in new car design really, really don't use the upkeep much.

2:02.5

And we'll get into that today.

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